Kitchen counter / island bench layout - your thoughts please
We're about to start building our kitchen and I wanted to see what folks thought of our kitchen counter layout - particularly the kitchen island size and position.
Unfortunately the rear of the counter (at the top) cannot be moved, as this part of the counter I am intending to merge with the round post you can see in the top right corner (the post goes from the floor to the ceiling - it helps support the second floor).
Furthermore the other counters you can see against the walls cannot be changed as their counters have already been built.
So that leaves us with the island's size that can change, if needed. We can make it bigger/ smaller/longer/shorter. No limitation as we are constructing it out of wood. Any suggestions? Would it be better to make the counter even wider than 4' and cut down on some of that 5'10" of clearance? Or is that clearance quite good as it is? What about other clearances?
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Comments (11)I used to have a kitchen (my dream kitchen!) with similar layout. I think 900 is too skinny for the island, given it’s length and the size of your kitchen. If it were me, I’d make it at least 1000 - you won’t notice the extra width (ie where the long edge ends up in relation to the fridge) once you you put stools in front of it. I don’t know if it’s just your program, but I would definitely stack the sliding doors in the other direction. It should be a separate element in your design and you don’t want to have to dog leg around the island, even slightly, to go outside. I would roughly centre the main opening section in line with your passage, and people movement, and have the fixed section at the kitchen end. I think the position of the coffee station depends on what sort of coffee machine you’re planning in having. In my current kitchen the coffee machine requires the grounds to be emptied after every coffee…. And it’s a pain walking across the kitchen to empty the filter into the kitchen compost bin (the only space for it is near the sink) and to clean the filter in the sink. I agree 1200 is the max space between the island bench and the stove. Most of your food prep area looks like it will be on the island and a turn and one or two steps is all you want between it and the stove. Good luck with it. Hope it goes well....See Morelil
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoI know the fridge is not really adhering to the work triangle principle, but I should have mentioned it also cannot be moved.
The gap between the counters and the pantry is actually a door too - sorry!
I suppose I could decouple the island from the post (the brown circle), and move it in somewhat to close up the clearances. I've also evened up the clearances to 4' (1200mm) at either end, if that is a good idea. See picture below.
What do you think?
Trappist
7 years agoHi
We have quite a similar kitchen in layout. Pantry same spot too (just rotated.). So have posted 2 not so good pics and a plan view. Similar distance as you have intended in your Kitchen. Posted so you can get some idea of the appearance in real life.
Your second option is certainly more functional. We find the 4.5 feet from bench to island is ideal to let people through if required, open the oven without touching bench (oven in Island), 1 and a half steps is just right.
Good luck.
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Kim Mackintosh
7 years ago
My kitchen had the fridge in the same place as yours but the sink and cooker are swapped. The island was 1200 x 1200 and we had 1100 from island to units. It was the best kitchen to work in. I could cook while hubby washed up and the kids or guests could still get to the fridge. Great for entertaining and never tripped over each other and we are a family that cook together.lil thanked Kim Mackintosh
Jayne Leath
7 years agoHi Lil. Saw your kitchen layout and it looked similar to one we renovated. Your island does not have to be rectangular and could be a similar shape to pics attached which worked well for us and wrapped around L shaped kitchen. Our fridge was in similar position to yours as well.
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