And Kim's suggestion to maybe include banquette seating and cooks Laptop research area, you could also have a small flat screen TV on the wall above linked to your online cooking programs and following receipes, I do..

Love the double doors as it opens up and makes the spaces feel bigger and not so pokey. If you feel a need for more DWs F & P Have the wonderful drawers they also do fridge and freezer draws.

Apart from cabinet makers do check out Ikea and ask them to quote. the Stud wall is easy to do it just helps to add to a kitchen for someone who loves cooking and entertaining.

I don't suggest you brick up your support post go with whatever fits and suits the room.

The Island can be either 2 x 3 m 0r 1200 x 3m, you know that the guests are going to want to join you in the kitchen, clean up is easy between the dining room and Pantry and can be closed over and forgotten until later.

Thanks everyone!

Siriuskey, we're always a family of 4, but our married children come often with their kids. There's just a 1.2m verandah off the family room, but a lovely view. Would you mind walking me through your concept to see if I've got it right? Pantry is 1.4m (is this 600mm bench and 800mm walkway?) + 100mm stud wall + 600mm for oven wall + 1200 walkway + 900-1200 island bench = 4.2 - 4.5m. Walkway into pantry is 1m and into family room 1.2m?

Banquet table is good idea, Kim. We had quote to move family room wall out, but $$$ for the sake of 1.2m. Yes, thanks for the advice to take my time to get it right!

oklouise, very good ideas there! Especially moving fridges to open up area.

I've got heaps to think about!

Helga I would will be very happy to provide you with further details of my concept for your kitchen, and moving things around to suit you is easy. Going by the measurements you have provided i will work within that. Can you also supply the size of the dining /living and what the dividing wall between the kitchen and dining is built of. Any ideas of what your style is would also be helpful. We will be working with spaces between island and benches at 1.1 to 1.2 anything wider is too wide to work in. What is your fridge size, French door or side by side fridge freezers are best as they take up less space when opened, depth of door is less. cheers.

Great idea Kim, but sadly can't use any of the space in lounge/dining.

Thanks for your help siriuskey! I provided main measurements in initial drawing: kitchen wall on dining side is 5.2m, don't want to go beyond width of 4.2m, if possible. Fridge/Freezer is Leibherr side by side: 570mm each x 1770 high. Induction cooktop is 650mm wide, rangehood is 730mm wide. Ovens 600mm. Dishwashers 600mm. Like white kitchens (shaker style) and medium-dark timber floor

Wall between kitchen and dining is brick. Another sketch here:

based on the accurate appliance measurements there will be more space available

Hi Helga,

I'am just going over your plan and to answer your questions' and thank you for the appliance list with sizes

"Would you mind walking me through your concept to see if I've got it
right? Pantry is 1.4m YES (is this 600mm bench and 800mm walkway?) + 100mm
stud wall + 600mm for oven wall YES+ 1200 walkway WALKWAY CAN BE 1100-1200, I HAVE 1100 BETWEEN SINK AND ISLAND AND THAT'S HEAPS OF SPACE, I CAN OPEN THE DW AND THE UNDER BENCH OVEN AT THE SAME TIME AND STILL HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE BETWEEN THEM. 900-1200 island bench =
4.2 - 4.5m.ISLAND BENCH SHOULD BE 1200 X 3000, THAT GIVES A 600 DEEP STORAGE, DRAWERS OR CUPBOARDS AND A 300 OVER HANG FOR STOOLS. Walkway into pantry is 1m. AT THE MOMENT IT WOULD BE 800 (1400 WIDE PANTRY WITH 600 CABINETS) , BUT THAT CAN BE CHANGED TO MAKE THE DOOR WIDER IF NEEDED?"

You mentioned having all appliances would you be able to change your cooktop and range hood to 900 a 600 cooktop is very limiting ie: using frypan and larger pots together, ie: Pasta, and for a cook it's a must, I have one and wouldn't change back to 600.

Cheers

This plan is still 5200 on the dining wall because I can't see why it should be reduced and you would also lose 1 m off the pantry and cooking.

It's really difficult not being able to chat so for this reason I have shown possible oven positions and sink DW.

I have kept your side by side fridges close to the sink on the window wall.

Same principal, 1.1 - 1.2 between bench's, pantry 1.4 - 1.5 waith 600 cabinets, with or without a door. Love Barn Doors for your Hamptons style.

If you don't like the idea of the ovens near the window and at the start of the pantry you could open up sliding panels between it and the dining for serving and getting rid of dirty dishes straight into the DW. Even if you kept the ovens in the same place which is great close to the sink it's still possible to have a servery. The small appliances are in the corner next to the window at the moment which I think is good.

Island is still 1200 x 3000

Internal walls 100mm, Hope you like it

(please don't read my capital script as rude & yelling I just thought as I can't use colour this would make it easy to decipher

Hi Kim, I think that with the Hamptons style that Helga is wanting she will want pelmets which I haven't worked out how to draw just yet. "Somethings Gotta Give" movie cheers.

Lachlan,so these plans are for the oldest colonial homestead and doesn't include what would have been the kitchen/dining,walk- pantry plus detached sleeping quarters.The historic homestead will receive the up grade and re furbishment

That's great oklouise, thanks!!

Siriuskey, haha, I did realise why you used capitals! I love it, thanks!! Agree, it is difficult not being able to chat. Sorry, I didn't mean to reduce the 5.2m wall, I meant 4.2m the other way... going into the family room. Also, when I mentioned width of walkways into pantry and into family room, I meant at the window/sink end of the kitchen. All your efforts are much appreciated, drawings are impressive! You have ovens 1 and 2: does this mean option 1 and option 2? (I only have two ovens).

An appliance I forgot about is microwave (600mm wide and 460mm high). I'm not very tall, so rather not have it on top of oven.

Kim, thanks for your input. I do want as much storage as possible! But am not good with styles :(

jiminwalpole: ?? I don't understand

Helga, thank you, after iI posted I thought you may have thought I was yelling at you in computer speak, not at all.

I have done another quickie ,(If I can say that), the cabinets on the dining wall are 600m with 1.200 between them and 600mm Island (also 1.2 between sink and island.

I now have a Computer station and pantries along the entrance wall

Banquette seating built to Island as this should take in your support beam so more space for the family

I would keep your fridges near the sink, I have also changed the kitchen window , up to you and included a servery between the kitchen dining which could be made private

A 800mm small appliance cabinet next to the ovens as per the photo, this is a better position

You could also have a small bar sink in the Island. Not sure if I have forgotten anything cheers,

Banquette seating x

Ovens were options for two positions in the kitchen and instead of having them side by side you could have 2 ovens in one cabinet, the MW in the island?

Forgot to add that F&P DW are the best space saving machines, two DW in the space of one, same with wall ovens as per the photo stack them and not side by side cheers

I have moved all the tall units fridges wall ovens onto the dining wall, still have two dishes washers but that could be reduced by 600mm using a double F&P DW

At the moment the kitchen is 5m x 3.8m and could be 5m x 3.2m by using the F&P DW

Sorry that this is late but I have a similar problem and layout. I would be interested to know why Siriuskey/Helga canned the butlers pantry drawings? I have 2.35M !!!! between my island and L shaped work areas and it is killing me! I had originally thought when we bought the house to move the island but I wondered if I could move the wall and have a pantry behind, as the pantry is smack bang in the corner (ouch) and everyone gets in my way when cooking!

This post and it's replies have encouraged me to think that it may be possible... except that I don't have a 5M wall on the cookktop side, only 3.6M..

Hi Amanda, Helga decided that she wanted more of that space for the family living, but I loved that pantry. Why don't you post a plan with measurements to see if it would be possible. Otherwise depending of placement of appliances you could have another narrow island cheers

I will - when photo's uploads is working :-) thank you Siriuskey!

Sorry that the images are quite small. The first shows the cooktop wall which is 3665mm in length, and the island is 2350mm from it. If we create a new wall 1220mm from the island ( at first we thought to move the island closer to the cooktop, however, the floor has been laid around it, and also the pantry is in the wrong location- everyone interupts my triangle when they go to it! so I thought about creating a slim walk in pantry v similar to Siriuskeys design. Not sure if that would give usenough clearance to walk past shelves (hoping 350-450mm depth shelves).

Any input would be appreciated!

Hi Amanda, You need 1000 between island cooktop and allow 100 for the wall, you would have approx 1250 for the slim pantry so it could work, Real Estate agents measurements are usually incorrect and they state that. I will work on a floor plan for the kitchen including the pantry today, looks like a lovely new home for you in lovely Norwood. cheers

Amanda can you pls confirm if the 2350 is from the wall or the cook top cabinets

Fridge had to be moved closer to the sink, so I had already placed it on the sink wall. What distance do you have between the two windows and what size are they. What kind of oven, wall or under bench do you want or have.

Hi Amanda, trying to give you the great pantry idea for Helga in a smaller space but it should work, You said you wanted 1200 between cabinets (not kick boards), I have worked with 1100 it would be even better with 1000 for extra space in the pantry. The wall takes up 100. After speaking with your builder to finalize plans with an onsite inspection you could consider having the new wall between the kitchen and pantry stop around the top of the wall cabinets for extra natural light back into the kitchen. It would still look good with the range hood chimney still going up to the ceiling.

I would try to reuse as many cabinets and all of the appliances, and they will fit beautifully Your small appliances can be lined up on the bench near the window into the pantry. MW coffee tea could all be fitted in this area to suit you

The Pantry can have 400 base cabinets or shelves/open drawers for easy access and the wall cabinets/open shelves which are marked as 300 could be 200

Your fridge is much better closer to the sink.and should help to keep them out of the kitchen cheers

The program is old so you have to imagine your stainless range hood and splash back in the middle with cabinets both sides with or without doors. You could leave the pantry open at the other end for even easier access. I wasn't trying to make it look clean I just don't have small items to add to clutter things up a bit.

Have just noticed this post has been revisited! I haven't canned the idea of the butler's pantry at all - I love it! And am still trying to make it work.

Siriuskey, how much do you think this plan can be "squashed up" so the family room area is as big as possible? while keeping the kitchen area still workable?

Be glad of everyone's thoughts :)

Hi there Helga, Because you need more family room space I've taken out the pantry, but I still think you will have everything you need plus you will actually be in the kitchen where the family action is and not stuck away in a pantry.

This kitchen has two deep 1 1/2 bowl sinks plus 2 DW, 2 under the window or one in the island.

The pantry for small appliances has 600 deep benchtop with 30cm deep x 1800 long with double bi fold doors. you can have the wall units deeper but this should work really well with your appliances lined up behind the doors they can be pulled forward to use and give better ventilation for your Thermomix and deep fryer, you can have an extra extraction system either within the cupboard or above the bench to in the ceiling.

Also having the bench top 60cm deep and the wall cabinets 30cm x 2 x 900 cabinets the doors will be 45cm wide and when pulled back will only protrude into the kitchen space by 17cm which will make them easy to work around. If the wall cabinet was 60cm like the base the doors would protrude by the door width 45cm , much more in the way.

A cooking zone and two oven towers.

The island has more drawer storage plus there is extra storage and computer desk on the entry wall, the wall cabinets have glass panels.

Thanks Kim, I don't think Helga actually wants a dining table in the family, that could be replaced with another lounge for more seating cheers

Hi Helga, It's been such a long time since this kitchen was first designed that I had forgotten the "Support Beam" and the reason for the pantry that I love in the first place. But I think I have a way to over come that, tomorrow.........Hi girlguides, Helga hosts a lot of large dinner parties, so the need for extra appliances cheers

More family room less kitchen, table to be placed up to support beam, the beam can be timber clad to match your shaker cabinet doors

Back with reduced pantry and two support beams either end of Island, it is showing three posts and a beam(can't do two) but I would go for two posts, and with or with out the beam.

Small appliances are still in the same position as above but they could be swapped with the ovens if you preferred.

Wow, that's mind-boggling!! Thank you ever so much, Siriuskey! I can see it taking shape :)

To clarify some measurements on your design, what is the distance between:

1. the dishwasher beside the sink and the island bench

2. the island bench and the small appliance cupboard?

And what width did you make the island bench?

Hi Helga,

1 ). The Island is 3.5m x 900cm ( the ridge down the middle is part of the railing system I used to get the posts so that won't be there)

2 ). Small appliance cupboard is 1m to Island (trying to get as much family space as possible and to fit the support beam/s in) my kitchen is 1100 between island and bench and I find that heaps and could easily be 1m.

3 ). The DW, window bench to Island is 1.225m , The fridge is 700deep so is 1.125m from the island,

4 ). The window bench with ovens is 1.125m to the wall of the small appliances and 950cm between ovens and pantry cabinets on the plan to allow for opening.

All of these can be re positioned to line up correctly depending on what you thought,

The Ovens can be swapped over to the far end of the Appliance cupboard and possibly move your appliances to where the ovens were.

I think the twin beams could look great in your kitchen,

I have worked artistic calculations for the beams so not sure how close I am. cheers

This is really good to go with proper plan and all the experts interior designer in Nagpur always follow this scale and gives best results.