we do need to see the whole floor plan with dimensions to have a better understanding of options and what are all the internal walls made out of??

Tiny bathrooms and laundries are the most challenging spaces to work with as there are so many constraints. While these plans are ok for the principal plan you really need to work at a more detailed scale of 1:20 as every millimetre counts. You should also look at fittings as not all vanity basins and toilet suites are the same size, and savings of 10 or 20mm can add up. Don't resolve your plan and find that the bathroom fittings that you like (or can afford) don't actually fit. Don't forget to include towel rails in your planning as they take up space and are essential, as is circulation space. A good bathroom designer should be able to maximise your limited space once you have decided on your needs.

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Hi all,

Thank you for your ideas and responses!!

I agree with your direction siriuskey and girlguides, the idea of a separate toilet to be used by both bathrooms could be functional as putting a toilet in the laundry would be difficult.

Please see below the the entire floor plan, which identifies structural, non-structural and existing pipes, as requested oklouise. We have scope to extend the non-structural wall around the shower in the bathroom (see red arrow).

Please see below for bathroom measurements. As seen by the dotted green line, there is scope to bring the outside wall of the bathroom down to create a bigger space. However, I am worried if this is done, when you enter it will create a large closed in hallway.

Thank you all!

*****Please keep in mind the design restrictions I mentioned in my original post. Thanks!!

Some clearer drawings for you with possibilities, keeping the passageway open between the Powder room and new linen cupboard. You can have what ever your needs are, bath/bath with shower/shower, this is a nice HER space, HIS in the laundry with shower and sink for shaving. The powder room needs a recessed hand basin with mirror above for everyone including guests. The vanity has drawers for storage with mirrored shaving cabinets on the wall above and the full width of the vanity. Both bathroom and laundry would need a local Pro or Tradie to ensure measurements are correct.

The Laundry with shower across the width of the laundry replacing the linen cabinet which is now in the entrance. Shower/machine and sink should be able to take advantage of existing plumbing, ie: drain and taps, door to bathroom can swing which ever way you would prefer

keeping in mind the plumbing and wall restrictions and the fact that the dimensions don't seem to add up eg if the space along the wall behind the shower and toilet is 1197 and the shower is at least 800 deep there's only 397mm available for the toilet and, if the internal space of the laundry is 1375 x 1375, and the space from the door to the storage wall is 1120 then there would only be 250 available for a door? ...either the measurements aren't correct and/or the external walls don't line up with the walls of the other rooms or?? based on the restrictions of the structural walls i can only find enough space for a single bed or double sofa bed for occasional guests in the second bedroom so there doesn't seem any reason to sacrifice the laundry to create two bathrooms....the existing layout makes the best use of the available space although, subject to correct measurements, it could be worthwhile to move the entry wall and aim for a slightly larger shower but the bath toilet and vanity basin are better in their existing positions and i suggest that you consider opening up the kitchen and add extra storage to the bedrooms (moving bed 2 door could help) but as usual accurate measurements will be the most important basis for any suggestions

Totally agree that the measurements didn't add up OK hence my not showing any, I have just suggested what I think could work, I would strongly suggest the powder room has a separate entry so it's available to other people when the bathroom is in use.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I will look into the designs you suggested siriuskey and oklouise. With your design siriuskey, I'm not sure if it will make it look like there is too much going on when you first enter? Do you have experience with this and are you able to advise?

Sorry about the inaccurate measurements, I had to take them very quickly.

A couple more questions, if thats okay;

1) Where would you suggest moving bed 2 door too?

2) I have planned to turn the U-shaped kitchen into a galley (remove the cabinets from the back wall so you can walk all the way to the end) - as I believe this will create a more efficient and functional space - are you able to comment on this?

3) How important is a bath in an apartment for re-sale??

4) Is the software you are both using free?

I have come up with a sketch of another possible design (I have not included measurements as I am still brainstorming). I have extended the shower to create a larger shower. Deleted the bath tub and replaced it with a double vanity and turned the old vanity into a linen cupboard. Could you please advise on this?

Thank you so so much for the help. It is really appreciated.

(Sorry for the lack of experience, I am a first timer!!)

Hi Dan, there's always the first time. Your floor plan looks like a real estate agents, measurements they are always very loose, apparently many send their measurements off shore as it only costs $5 for each plan!! ( although I wish I had $5 dollars for every hour I spend on floor plans)

The kitchen also shows how bad the measurements are, Ok has done a great job extending what will be a galley kitchen and adding an island bench space.

My experience is firstly Life, working with a great Danish cabinet making company, Renovating our own, family and friends homes plus a few Commercial properties.

I started using my CAD program which I was introduced to by my friend Oklousie, it's even older than her version 3DhomeArchitect Deluxe version 3, I managed to find it on Ebay in Australia for $25, it came with CD and Users manual both in perfect condition, old but very easy to use and a "steal" at that price.

We offer you ideas that you can take to a local Pro.Builder etc. If your laundry isn't able to fit a Shower just tart it up to bring it up to date to include better storage,

The bathroom can have either just a shower or shower over bath, don't really think it matters it's your reference, if you sell a bath could always be re fitted by the new owners. It's your home enjoy it as you would use it

The most important thing I think you can do to add value and better use for you is make the powder separate. cheers

correct measurements are the only answer...for your new floorplan you need a room (without any restrictions that would measure at least 2400mm x 2000...it's always possible to squeeze in some minor variations but only if it's worth the cost in convenience, improved value of the property and actual cash outlay.... the front door entry foyer would be lost, the new bathroom doorway wastes more space, the linen cupboards would be too narrow for anything except a few towels and sheets (that can easily be stored in a suitable vanity or bedroom cupboard) the bathtub is gone and you would have spent about $20,000 for a bathroom that is not better than what's already there?? ...the computer programs that we use are called 3D Home Architect and my version 4 is no longer available to buy but i believe siriuskey may have purchased her version recently? these programs do make the plans much easier to see but you must start with accurate measurements and an understanding of spaces needed ...start with a space about 800 x 800 mm for a toilet, 900 x 900mm for a basic shower, 500 x 900 for a single handbasin 1500 x 500 for a double handbasin then add in at least 900 x 900 for a doorway (including space for the frame and space to walk through...same for cavity sliders!) and then you'll need space to walk around in front of the toilet and shower and handbasins ......unfortunately with the plumbing and space restrictions i don't believe it's possible to do more than widen the existing shower space by rearranging the entry wall.(NB you'll still need to spend $5000 to $10,000 for demolition, carpentry, new waterproofing, tiles, shower, vanities wall cabinet, taps, plumbing etc..forget the linen cabinet and store linen in a new vanity and toiletries in a wall hung mirror doored cabinet and keep some width in the entry foyer (minimu 1200 wide) ...removing some of the non structural wall in the kitchen should be the cheapest improvement for the kitchen and add space for a small breakfast bar but removing the end counter would lose valuable counter space that could also be used for a pantry ...before making any decision you need to think about the reason for the changes...are the bathroom, laundry and kitchen in need of immediate repair, is the unit for your own use of needing improvements for rental or resale...?? always happy to draw up your plans but have to nag again about the accurate measurements...try measuring each separate room (ie shower, toilet and vanity, laundry and storage from wall to opposite wall in several places in both directions, ignoring all the fittings but include separate measurement of the diameter of the hot water heater.

Call in a local builder if you can get one at the moment, he will have all the trades he uses in his business, show him the roughed out floor plan ideas and see what he comes up with and report back to Houzz for us to see.

Kitchens and bathrooms are the most expensive rooms in any house, BUT they are also the biggest selling point apart from a water view.

You can still get versions of my CAD online, but you sound young so I would try the FREE version of Sketchup, does everything and then if you like you can upgrade to Pro. The difference being apart from being up to date with furniture etc,( I have to use fish tanks for long pavers and coffee tables for cars, looks ok in 2d but side view or streetscape looks totally weird)

Sketchup uses 3d to draw the floorplans but you can then look at it in 2d, 3DHAD uses 2 d to draw and can be converted to 3d which I find much easier, Cheers

Thank you for the advice with programs, plans and designs. I will definitely get onto that!

As you have advised, I will get accurate measurements to create a more accurate floor plan and try to create a design as per your recommendations siriuskey and oklouise.

I would really appreciate some further comments and advice once I have finished doing that! I will reply here.

Thank you.

Look forward to that Dan