HI there, do you have a floor plan with measurements of the space? If the area behind them has storage, t doesnt look like there is really room for those stools in the second pic.

Have you thought about the sink location in front of a servery window? You may want to visit some display homes and see if it works for you. I have seen them offset to one side and am thinking of doing that myself.

Opt 2 with stools at bench my vote.

Measurements and window placement etc please. From what I currently see, the design feels clumsy and disjointed but more details would shed more light on how others solve your concerns.

I agree. we think that maybe it should be L shaped with no servery leaving it a sliding door to outside. following is a diagram that would help with suggestions.

what is the size of all the rooms including living kitchen, pantry and laundry so we can add full scale furniture to better understand the spaces and is the sliding door off the kitchen the only access to outside?

I think this latest plan looks better. If you have people sitting on stools around the island like in one of the top,pictures, it will be awkward to move around them when preparing food.

Hi Annette,

We really need dimensions. I have scribbled ideas here but no idea if they will work in the layout, for you, with the rest of the house too. Ie: first where is north? would the laundry be better off the hallway at the top of pantry? No idea just asking.... How big is fridge: a 1200 wide with ice maker too? 600 cook top? I really like having the wall oven: who needs aerobics with roast dinners!! What sort of cooking do you do? Is there baking, parties or day to day for family of 4? Would there be doors from dining area or only from kitchen? What if servery was by dining/living? This is what I do and love to do: to help get kitchens and laundry right for YOU! Cheers Margot

PS also what is the retreat and bulkhead crossed out beside the loo?

The laundry looks big in comparison with the kitchen. Could you use some of the laundry space to widen the kitchen? Also, how about the fridge where the wall oven is? It seems rather inaccessible tucked in the butlers pantry. Would a laundry in the butlers pantry area with no butlers pantry and instead a lovely big kitchen extended into the previous laundry area work? Or swap butlers and laundry.

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the correct dimensions will help make your decisions but if framing isn't suitable anything that's already done can be redone if he agrees about a better solution

Thanks Annette, with your layout I would like to walk straight out from kitchen to outside table.
You also have an alternative. Put servery window but bench on the outside only.

Framing isn't that hard to change is it? Better to have it right before going any further.

Margot I like your thinking

Thank you Margot for all your help, just getting hubby to agree on making the changes that have already been done. will let you know the outcome cheers

PS Annette, could you take a mo to add a comment on my page here on Houzz please: I need people who like my thinking to put note on my place. Thankyou in anticipation. Margot :)

much as i like the idea of a bigger kitchen this new arrangement doesn't allow much space for a dining area...and where is the plumbing for existing taps for kitchen laundry and toilet?? we need the measurements of all the spaces including dining, living, kitchen, laundry, pantry, powder and any adjoining spaces to offer realistic suggestions....the reason i think you/re not happy with the original kitchen ideas is that they've been planned without including surrounding spaces and make the proposed kitchen feel crowded...please include dimensions of all the rooms

Must say that I agree with Oklouise, I looked at your post and decided that it needs changes to improve flow but without dimensions I'd be flying blind, love to see more of the floor plan with dimensions

The changed arrangement is still only in the original kitchen/butlers pantry/laundry/powder room area and doesn't alter the dinning room size at all.
I do agree measurents would be great though.

I agree it is flying blind without dims and my plan will need to be jigged accordingly. Fridge could slip back into fold/store space in laundry then move pantry (size to be determined too?) along for more dining room. I think the flow is much better from kitchen to social areas too. Laundries need to WORK: to be thought of with loads of dirty clothes, soggy stuff and flow! Good luck: as always love to see the finished plan! Margot

A kitchen layout should always follow the golden triangle rule. The sum of the triangle should not excess 6.5 meter will be a better choice.