are you planning to sell any time soon, does the deck already exist, how many people live in the house?...external changes usually involve a development application with council and it's often cheaper per sq m to do a bigger extension ...resale will depend on the price of similar properties in the area..no value in spending money for possible resale if it makes the house uncomfortable for you to live in...check with council if you could add an outside toilet with handbasin and focus on making sure the house and gardens are in excellent condition to improve potential resale as the existing rooms are not big enough to include an ensuite

Yes I think basin and mirror is a great compromise and especially if bathroom
Is being used !

Oklouise thank you. Deck doesn’t exist yet. Currently three/4 people. But only 1-2 every second week.
I was wondering how to make things work internally but it could make the house less Functional ??
Yes the house and gardens will loom great. Wondering how much a small addition like that would cost as its not a big space ?

Your Master is too small for an ensuite but you could consider a Powder Room shower behind the kitchen taking space from the bedroom which could be considered MF bedroom/study.

the powder room could be reduced to WC and small vanity.

Siriuskey - Thank you for your ideas and efforts. That’s an idea that hasn’t been considered yet. Plumbing is being moved for the kitchen and that would allow a 3 x 3.3 space for the bedroom or office. That size space is fairly standard. It would also give a second bathroom and be functional.
What would you suggest if you would just to make it a powder room with vanity and toilet? Would that give better space to the bedroom / office ? Wondering what the best option is for future families and functionality?

Siriuskey - Another option could be that that room becomes the master with the en-suite incorporated into the wardrobe space I’ve seen images of that previously and wondered if it works ?

I’ve been drawn to this image Aldo overtime as I liked the design and simplicity. It could work ?

That new full bath leaves only a tight single bedroom well below 3m deep. It would however allow future change of other bath to and en-suite. That is your compromise. Personally I would just have toilet and vanity for your house, but I don’t like ensuites off small masters.

the ensuite shown would need at least 2500 x 1200 plus and that wouldn't leave enough space for more than a single bed and no wardrobes....if you plan to move other plumbing consider the whole house rather than each room separately..what do you wish for the whole house and do you have a budget in mind

Kate - Where in the house would you suggest putting the toilet and vanity ?
Oklouise - so that image might not work ? Yes I’m trying to work within a budget so being careful with decision making? What would you do ?

My suggested Powder room ensuite was a bit of artistic licence as it was very difficult to confirm dimensions, so if you could clear that up it would help, but saying that the Powder room would certainly fit in the space I have identified. The bedroom next to it is better as a secondary bedroom/study/MFR . I would keep the master as is the family bathroom is beautifully situated to cover both ensuite and family

I had the Powder room 1.150 x 3.2 with shower but if only WC and basin that would be reduced to approx 1.150 x 1800 leaving approx 1.3 wardrobe space. The vanity would be very slim which is all thats needed within a powder room.. Love the new kitchen design and I had considered using the laundry space which I read as 1350 deep as an ensuite stepping through into it like the wardrobe picture you posted

As it looks like you are still in the planning stages something like this would work, it's not big but it will give you the much needed second WC. The minor bedroom which only needs to house a single or bunk bed, not every room needs to have QB's. this has a small WIR, and would also be ideal as a study. The single bed can always have a pull out bunk or night and day lounge to accommodate couples.

Siriuskey - Thanks once again. So am I correct in saying you believe positioning the powder room beside the other bedroom is the best option and for that room to be a MFR room. The room is currently 4000 x 3200. Does that clear things up?

i would first decide if the house is an investment or for your own family and for how long and then focus on better understanding what you already have and what will make the house most comfortable within budget....but, the dimensions on your plan are confusing ..ignoring all the cabinets and wardrobes, please confirm the dimensions on my rough plan

Oklouise I’m trying to find your rough plan so I can respond ?

Yes I am confident that you will easily fit a small Powder room, taking space from the 3200 x 4000 bedroom MFR, sharing the kitchen plumbing. you don't need QB's in all bedrooms , look at Architects floorplans, this will give you the best cost effective result and you still have 3 bedrooms, 1 bath plus a powder room. My walls are 100mm., the only problem I had was working at getting the entrance into the powder room from the hallway showing in your plan

Sorry I thought that I had uploaded the following suggestion two posts back

Siriuskey - Thank you. I appreciate your thinking around the functionality. If I changed the entrance to the powder room to an in walk sliding door that would free up useable space and increase the size and functionality of the MFR to allow double bed also ?

Alternatively have the door opening outwards would decrease the size of the powder room while keeping all the same features etc.

sliding doors are not suitable for powder rooms but it can be done, you just don;t get as much privacy, noise

Thank you Siriuskey :-)

Oklouise apologies for the slow reply as I don’t have the technology like all of those kind souls who have showed their technical ict skills. I needed to draw it up by hand for you. Here are the dimensions as requested.
To answer your question it will be family home then longer term investment. As I’m living in it with my family I’m finding out what works and what needs changing. I want to do the best renovation possible for the comfort of my family and then the comfort of the next owners. I’m conscious that I’m working not just for myself but the next generation. I want who ever lives here to enjoy it.

Sorry forgot bathroom in last drawing. Hoping my measurements are correct.
Thank you to everyone for your help.

This with double bed and toilet re position

And this

Siriuskey thanks for your ongoing thinking as you keep opening up new possibilities. I realised the same thing that the depth of the pantry, laundry and linen were very deep so decreasing them made the master larger by bringing the robe in more. Wishing I had programs like you do to make the concepts easier ( looking into that today ). There is a balance between the linen, laundry and pantry - laundry and pantry being used most but not needing any more space than necessary and for storage of towels and bed sheets etc. when tidying and dressing up rooms. Both your suggestions are deeply appreciated.

Otomo I have enjoyed working with your house, it has a great simple layout, houses don't have to be big to enjoy, in fact I think we are building too many Mc Mansions

I looked at your laundry linen pantry the other day looking for possible ensuite space, and now that you have confirmed the 1350 depth that is brilliant to allow for your bedroom robe which gives a bigger lovely Master. I don't agree that you need to have WIR and ensuite in a Master bedroom, but a separate toilet is very important, do you have a designer/draft/Archictect involved, where is the house and how old are the kids, any photos to share cheers

I have just realised that your ideas continue to open up the possibilities. The design of current room being converted to the bedroom will allow for some more space (3.4 x 3.9) with a modification of the wall between the bedroom and living area. This will allow for a longer robe and better feel overall for the bedroom / MFR. I have drawn the modifications to include your thinking.
Yes I’ve got an architect involved and am in the process of breaking the project into small manageable steps for my first renovation to help keep the budget monitored. Children are turning 13 and 17 this year. The house is in northern Tasmania and is Art Deco style. The architect has been great to work with and as I progress I’m learning so much more. I’m conscious of trying to get the planning and vision well thought through before commencing the first stand. I have also taken your advice and studied other bedroom designs and it seems that 3 x 3 ( 9m2) is commonly used. The new space suggested is approx 9.4m2 so above that. I’m also enjoying connecting and learning from everyone’s thinking and ideas. I have a lot to learn :-)

There are many advantages to simple, sustainable and minimalist. We often gather and use more than we need. I’m sure our collective efforts will continue to make a difference when put into action.

The first start was landscaping and painting.

what a fabulous house!!! but what are the inside measurements of the laundry, linen and pantry and also add measurements for entry and hallways as you can't plan any changes until you have an accurate plan of existing spaces and what have you planned for the kitchen and rear deck?

Amazing house, you are so lucky, is the plan you posted done by your architect, you will need a good local Pro to finalize your ideas and floor plan without taking away from your stunning house and the features that you will need to with./around

Just a quick addition, the hand bowl in the powder room should be wide and narrow and recessed into the wall to allow for easy opening of the door and just general space within the room to move around

I'm confused, the original drawings posted already had a narrow laundry and pantry, backing onto a robe for master. Are these drawings just concept plans? Are your sketches the actual house now.

yes it is confusing and trying read the floorplan difficult, the wall is apparently 1350 wide the laundry space is deeper than the wardrobe, so hoping to get the laundry pushed out to work with doorways and make more space to reduce any wardrobe depth in the actual bedroom, just waiting on more internal measurements of the kitchen wall passage way etc to help get a more precise space to work with, there's been a lot of artistic licence. I would like to see the original floor plan before any changes that would be more helpful. There's enough space within that 1350 1300 width to put in an ensuite .

So many ways to do things it's just working through what will be a personal choice, still looking and waiting for a copy of the original floor plan before any changes, which will also help protect any stunning deails in the Deco house. The exterior has been beautifully done so I'am sure Otomo will choose wisely what fits with their budget and family

Oklouise. I’m doing my best to work between drawings and house measurements. I hope this helps. I still need to remove walls red-dashes and add walls so I’m hoping my measurements are as accurate as possible. I’m hoping to have French doors leading out onto the deck ( modifying existing window for this ) on the dining side I’ll add a bar for stools and a server window to increase the enjoyment of the deck area.

Siriuskey thank you for your additional comments and thinking. Yes the concept is from the architect and our thinking will help to produce the final floor plan while working with integrity inside the house.

Dreamer yes they are just concepts at the moment as I need to remove hot water cylinder, power board and open up wall between kitchen and bedroom to create the space for pantry, laundry and linen and allow for robe in bed 1. Does that help? There is some work to be done 😊

Otomo do you have an original floor plan that you could post, thanks

Siriuskey - will do. I don’t have a copy yet but will source one from the council.

thank you that will be very helpful, I'am guessing you haven't changed anything in the interior yet?

Not yet 😊

I think you should explore the idea of getting a Pod on the deck.
its like a mini granny flat / cabana with toilet and small multi purpose room.
You might have the space for this.

Your layout looks fine as it is, and if you have a covered pergola, a second toilet in a pod will works well there.

I am a bit against adding plumbing and moving walls to your house.
First its a mess. lots of putting pipes under the flooring, fixing the flooring again, also ceiling and conrice works, and you end up with smaller bed, tighter layout. Too much sacrifice and not too much to gain.

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another pod sample

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or this

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Just an idea

3DA Thank you for your ideas and suggestions. Many houses I’ve noticed have Pods attached these days and many of them look modern and striking.
The original idea was going to be a modified version of something like this with privacy created for the sides. It would also be the back entrance to the house. I have a new area to study now and will look at ideas that might blend with the era and style of the home. All ideas create new ways of thinking and the learning process for me is deeply appreciated.

I think pod is the way to go. More simple to construct. Easier plumbing
If you want to extend its better on the living dining area. 3.4m is a bit small for a family room. 4-5 will be much better.

I agree with 3DA with needing to work with the house features, ceilings etc need to be worked with that's why I have asked for the original floor plan