Hello Houzzers, it's me, the pesky indecisive one. I was thinking...originally we had a hip and valley roof with skillion feature at entrance envisioned for our first new home build. However after gaining so much knowledge on this forum re natural light and aspect, it really has opened my eyes and sent me into a spin. Working within the constraints of an existing floor plan is much harder to take advantage of these principles. Presently we have our laundry and butlers pantry located on the eastern side. In order to get that natural light in the kitchen we were going to install a few Velux skylights in the kitchen area. We do have a covered alfresco in our new plan and obviously that will block out a lot of light too through kitchen servery window. My other thought is changing roof type to a full skillion roof with highlight windows to capture eastern light in the kitchen area. I am also mindful that we have a granny flat being built alongside us on the east so it may block out much of what we are trying to achieve in terms of natural light. My other thought was the present cinema configuration has a highlight window, do we change that to a full window so as to future proof the room from being dark and cinema-like to a light filled sitting room for future owners? Shall we just get some heavy drapes to block out the light in there? So many questions I know but there are obviously very knowledgeable Houzzers that know a gazillion more than me. T H A N K Y O U
I would put a proper window in the cinema room as it may be a lovely room to sit during the day when not watching a movie. Curtains with a pellet will block your light and be needed for a highlight window in any event, so why limit the room.
Hi oklouise, thank you for the feedback. Apparently as our whole roof needs to come off anyway, we were quoted around 15k more for this roof type? The velux windows (x3) and one velux in entry is around 10k. I hope what I have received is the correct info. 😟
I thought you already had a full window in the existing front lounge room. (Not the proposed renovation plan, but original home). If it still exists, I would keep this as is.
when you get a quote for a new roof it usually means for new cladding for tiles or steel on the original roof structure not to rebuild the entire roof shape and keep in mind that the new roof shape would also require new ceilings inside and all new gutters and downpipes...ask for another quote $15000 sounds like just enough for a new steel roof cladding on the old roof shape without new gutters fascias downpipes etc
hi oklouise, the whole roof structure is coming off, down pipes etc...we had already factored that in. 🤗 If it was you, would you still go original plan (hip and valley with skillion feature and velux windows) or full skillion roof with highlight windows , no velux) ? I really don't know. Actually if someone just built a house for me without me making g a single decision...this would suit me 🙃🙃🙃
From a previous post, I understand you are removing the complete roof, and raising the ceiling height to entire home, then finishing with a brand new roof. Is this correct?
for all the changes you're proposing i would demolish and build new or buy an existing house....your original plan shows that the house is not straight across the front so a new skillion roof can't match your proposal ..i think you need a builder to walk through the house to explain to you what's possible within your budget and more realistic itemised quotes and for extra internal; daylight light for under $10,000 roof windows would be the most cost effective although then you need to decide if you want a raked or flat ceiling which would of course cost extra....you mentioned a new home build??? how long do you plan to live in the renovated house, how many people need to live there, who is the granny flat and the separate office intended for and do you know the limit of your budget..
With respect, ........You have said you want the eastern light to come into the home, but in your pool room/office post, you are trying to block it out. I'm getting worn out, I can't begin to experience how you feel. 😧😲
@dreamer i know! I'm worn out too. I only meant to block it in case there was glare off the computer monitors but have since learnt sheer curtains will diffuse the light. Sorry to be such a nuisance. I really do like natural light.
You must be close to the window and have your back to it for that to happen as my study faces the same way as my bedroom, East ,with the desk in front of the window?
@oklouise thank you again for your feedback. We are a family of 3, only child is 7 years old. We currently live in a house with very little storage. Currently our only kitchen pantry is 400mm wide! And one linen closet. We originally bought the house because of the block size and ability to build a granny flat. Granny flat will be for my parents and also we live opposite a really good catchment highschool. The suburb of Woodvale is known primarily because of its schools but also very family friendly and community vibe. The granny flat is also for a future investment which can be rented for approx $350 pw. My husband works from home and needs a separate office as the current set up is in the front living room and takes up all of that area which means we only have one living area and my son plays video games and toys etc... with friends here near kitchen which is noisy. That is why reason for home office. Pool is because its a nice luxury. 🤗🤗
The sun moves across the northern sky, so northern light can be great. As the sun can be shaded easily by eaves in summer (as it's higher in the sky), while winter sunshine (lower in the sky) streams into the home.
So north facing clerestory windows can be great, shaded in summer, not in winter.
But east & west facing windows are different. The sun is always lower in the sky in these directions, making eaves much less effective.
So I'd be a bit careful with ENE facing clerestory windows. You don't want to over-glaze your eastern or western sides of the home. As this will lead to too much summer home entering the home, making it hot.
Instead of using clerestory windows down the entire spine of the home, you could choose to reduce the number of windows to just important areas, one above the entrance, a couple over the living areas.
If summer heat could be a problem you may also choose to use low SHGC (Solar Heat Gain Coefficient) glass, such as low-e glass.
But glass is such a poor insulator, so it can lead to a lot of heat loss in winter, especially in cooler climates. As heat rises, clerestory windows can cause significant heat loss. So often it's a good idea to double glazed clerestory windows.
As oklouise says, a skillion roof will be an expensive type of roof construction. Due to the width of the home, any cathedral ceiling will be pretty tall. Especially if the roof pitch is a decent angle. This will probably keep your roof pitch low, especially on the eastern side. This isn't great for solar PV.
One advantage of a skillion (or gable) roof, is that there's two large roof faces for solar panels. Much better than a complex hip & valley roof, with its small triangular & trapezoidal roof faces.
Your WSW roof face would be larger, & at a steeper pitch than the ENE roof. This would be particularly good for summer AC use. A bit less ideal in winter, as it faces a bit to the south.
Important point with Celestory windows they can lose heat but they can hold heat as well if none of them open, we have these windows and love them filling the house with light
we need accurate dimensions of all the space to comment about suitable length for kitchen island but i would never have an island that was too wide to wipe over from one side and if you want knee space for stools (about 30-40cms cms) what do you do with the extra depth underneath that is unreachable?
My island is 2700 x 1200 which is made up with 6 x 900 wide x 600 deep drawers, we have no sit up as we have a table next to the island. You could do 900 wide x 600 deep plus 900 wide x 300 deep which will give you a normal situp space. The 300 deep cabinets can have sliding doors or push to open doors to keep things like kids stuff or infrequently used kitchen stuff, but I still think you need to re think the position of the kitchen to the pool, office and family room so that they open up to each other plus the easterly garden
we can't keep thinking about your questions when you don't answer all the questions we ask!! and now we've stopped considering the roof and are back to the kitchen but what have you decided about the roof???...it's time for you to talk to a builder and local council to find out what's possible within your budget, work out the basic framework of the new rooms, the office, granny flat, new roof and then have some basic plans drawn with accurate dimensions before we consider any other details
We would all love to help, but as OKL suggests we are going around in circles. A builder as OKL suggests or a good local Architect or designer to walk through with you to help find the best layout for yourself and what will suit the property and your budget
@sirisukey. Yes my desk is under window as it is only a small room. It was running along wall under window but moved desk to right angles, facing north, so I could see door and out other window which did increase the problem with sun. I haven’t got around to buying a blind yet as it is a non Standard window size and I wasn’t sure if they were needed. Have windows on three sides and only need blind on the eastern window. Just moving some of my paintings to block the sun at present, It’s the old laundry we changed to study last year.
Perhaps you could try the other wall, South, and have a mirror which will show the door, I did that in my old space so that even though I was facing a wall I could see what was happening else where in the room via the mirror
The mirror would be a strip of mirror running along the wall at desktop height with width to suit, The height of the mirror is also personal choice, maybe just up under a shelf above the desktop
That's the plan to move into granny flat while we renovate existing home. We can finish to higher specifications and get in built cabinetry that is expensive if we renovate existing as opposed to knock down /rebuild. I'm starting to get nervous that Houzzers don't like the design of our renovation 🙃🙃🙃 We have to work within constraints of existing floor plan and existing wet areas otherwise ends up being too expensive
Working within the exisiting footprint if possible and using existing wet areas all help to reduce costs,but then you are married to a plumber. Moving the kitchen as I suggested would use existing plumbing, I don't want to sound unkind but I think you are possibly looking at quantity over quality where less is more, not everyone can afford a pool and Granny flat, your husband could have an office within the house until you can afford the the extras. But certainly have a plan to work towards
I think full skillion would be best, with louvre windows you can open, not fixed glass, skillions are great above kitchens as they really draw the air through.
I don’t think it’s a matter of not liking but just not being able to keep up with all the options you raise. I like the skillion idea but have seen from friends that you need to install a ladder anchor point for when you clean the insides!
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