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I see bedroom 5 beside kitchen. Is there a shower nearby? If not could make powder room bigger too. You will still need a pantry. Are you thinking of deleting bench along the alfresco wall to improve access to the bbq area

This gives you a massive Island, bigger robe in bedroom and walk-in shower in powder room.

Oops just read you want to keep butlers

Thank you Kate.

> There is a shower (bedroom5 ensuite) on front side, so no additional shower needed.

> In your proposal, where (on which wall) should be the cooktop?

> Is it possible to have some dedicated pantry space (small size is ok) ?

There are Lots of options. All depends on your preferences

Oh and rather than having a blind corner cupboard in kitchen give the space to the robe in bedroom 5

Robe change

Thank you Kate, this is good option.

BTW, we dont really need that big butlers space, if we can reduce it and use that additional space into Kitchen it will be great.

Can you post the whole floor plan. Are u having under bench oven or wall ovens?

I’m assuming the prayer room has the preferred orientation but can it be shifted?

I’m assuming the prayer room has the preferred orientation but can it be shifted?

--> Can be shifted.

Are u having under bench oven or wall ovens?

--> Under bench

Like this one. Makes better use of side window.

Oh just saw ensuite to bed 5. I had been trimming the plan to make the kitchen bigger whilst sketching.

Okl you’ve flipped it. I like it.

Thank you so much @oklouise :)

Few things to add re your idea:

1) Do you think such change will need a DA changes? Need to engage council again to approve these changes (as our DA is already approved with original design)?

2) we are happy to relocate or reduce the size of prayer room to 60-70% of there is better option for redesigning, please let us know.

Thank you Marilyn and Kate, looking forward for further ideas.

phone council and quote your DA number and they will be able to confirm if you need a review but my suggestion doesn't affect the external location of windows (as i will assume that the original pantry window is a highlight not affected by new location of fridge and stacked oven and MW) and i would keep the prayer room the same size and maintain the new location and width of the new dressing table/desk in the guest room) as the size of the prayer room could also be used as a study nook or split lengthways to provide more storage from the other side and the new pantry is already plenty big enough and you asked for a bigger kitchen which is much better than the giant pantry and cramped dining area

Thanks @oklouise in this case how would you position the dining table? Could you suggest?

at right angle to the new island allows more walking space around the table to prayer room, kitchen, alfresco and family room

@oklouise you mean something like this? I am little worried how it will look like :(

I think almost everywhere I have seen island and dining table parallel.

What are your thought please?

the table you have drawn looks much too big...your scale is wrong ...please post the plans showing the dimensions of the dining room alfresco and family room

Sure @oklouise here you go:

https://m.imgur.com/a/LMmJUod

there needs to be about 1m on all sides of the dining suite allowing for chairs to be pulled out and people to still be able to walk behind the chairs so i would have the table at right angles to the island..

you could also have the table the other way around but that blocks the walk way to the alfresco and encroaches on the family room

or you could use a smaller table but keep in mind that i've allowed for a big dining suite as there is not enough space to have more than a couple of small stools at the end of the island

Dining at right angles to island. Do what works best with your space.

GM @oklouise @Kate @dreamer thanks for your valuable inputs so far.

It took us long time to get back on this design thinking due to some medical reasons ....

Anyways, let me share the two options which we were proposed....

ref : https://imgur.com/a/VrFkRHp

Please share your thoughts (pros/cons) on these and your preference :)

I like the flow of opt 1. I would reduce island to 900 to allow room for stools and someone to walk past. If you don’t want a door on pantry can you cut out the wall next to sink. I think it would flow better.

Perhaps you consider something along the following layout by having wide pocket doors opening up the WIP would give you a bigger kitchen when needed for extra family. The outdoor kitchen would be accessed via the window servery. Can the Prayer room angle be changed to face away from the kitchen, across the fridge wall, the new fridge position is easy for both indoor and outdoor living

the proposed new kitchens are both much too cramped and my suggestion has more bench space, sink and dishwasher under the back window with servery window and makes the whole room more spacious without compromising pantry space and moving the guest room entry door allows for a deeper 1800 wide dresser space with room for a chair without crowding the entry door

Same but different OKL,

I like the Fridge where you enter the kitchen to keep extra traffic under control, it's also better for Alfresco use

I have separated the Oven and Main sink but you can have both on the window wall.

I have adjusted my floorplan so that there's more floor space within the working kitchen ie more space between the 1M island and benches, Island to WIP 1300 Island to sink 1200

The WIP is more open to the kitchen by making the Pocket doors frameless ceiling height, the floor space allowed is 600cm the same as the depth of the cabinet, there are no corner cabinets just one straight run of cabinets with drawers on both ends to allow easy access with no need to stand in front of them, the end draw next to the tall narrow window might need a small filler to allow the draws to slide out, depends on the window used

The WIP with open shelves above the bench could hold appliances that can be lifted down onto the bench when using

The WIP can be closed to hide a mess or left open to expand the kitchen space

I agree with OKL about the desk in the guest bedroom being in a difficult position and think open shelves would make better use of the space

@oklouise @siriuskey @Kate @dreamer

Thanks for your valuable feedback.

Few questions on this below design....

1) What is the use of the bench space next to prayer? How to use it?

2) We would love to have double sink in pantry if possible. But in either case my question is ...is the current position/location of sink in pantry best place? Or should it be on side wall? Any feedback?

3) The walls of prayer room and powder room are not aligned making the bedroom in bit unusual shape. Is there anything can be done or is it ok to have such unalingment?

4) We prefer 90cm oven so as per our builder it must be under bench oven as the wall mount are 60cm. Likewise we will have to also move the microwave under bench like in island. Any thoughts on this idea?

1. the base and wall cabinets in this location is to open up the kitchen as a wall crowds the space and your request was to make the kitchen feel bigger.. base and wall cabinets in this location will be good for dinnerware and cutlery and ideal for open shelves for display

2. double sink on side wall of the pantry as too cramped at the end if you want to include a DW

3. the wall not aligning is deliberate to allow for a wider dresser and to avoid the bedroom door crowding the entry and creating a useless corner

4. 90cm cooktop and underbench oven and mw no prob

Thanks @oklouise, we discussed this again in family and thought of getting rid of dresser in bed5. We are now inclined to this idea.... though we are little confused about exact position of double sink in pantry area....so for now drew at the place which I think is ok....but please check.

I'am not sure why your builder suggests that a 900 oven needs to be built in under bench, 900/ 600 ovens can be mounted in a wall cabinet. After having a 900 oven I personally prefer 2 x 600

I have shown you as best I can a single 900 oven wall mounted plus a freestanding unit. The 900 wall oven can become 2 x 600 stacked ovens

In my experience MW's a better sitting in a special Wall mounted cabinet above the bench, it puts it at a safe height for handling hot foods, easy lift out onto benchtop.

I still prefer the Fridge set back into the wall beside the WIP, family having BBQ's and just easy to access with ease of loading and unloading it by using the Island.

The WIP I have shown without return corners as I dislike them as they create base cabinets that are difficult to access, it also allows for a full height window for extra light and ventilation with the straight run

You can have a double sink but I have shown 1 1/2 bowls, which I find easy to work with especially if you have the newer deeper square sinks, you could have a dishwasher but I prefer that next to the sink below the servery.

Your WIP is perfect for all small appliances, coffee machines, Airfryers etc.

A tall food pantry would be a good option between any wall oven and MW unit, the pantry would be best fitted with drawers.

I have made the opening into the WIP squared and full height, if you use standard height and trim any ovens etc would need a filler between it and the wall to avoid hitting any doorway trim

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Thank you @siriuskey we had bit of discussion in family and decided to drop the dresser space in bed5. So now it gives us more space to play around the kitchen-pantry design. Could you please check my last post and see if you could suggest anything else if we don't have dresser.

Agreeing with @siriuskey. 2 x 600mm under bench ovens or wall ovens, not a 900mm oven. Microwave at bench height not under bench. Fridge always in the kitchen, not placed in a pantry. Note height of integrated microwave and set up of ovens in the photos below.

I am not concerned about that small 1m wide space facing into the guest bedroom, I have allowed 800 deep for the fridge, your fridge might need deeper. Whatever space is left over in the bedroom I would make into shelves.

If you plan 2 x 600 ovens you will need the separate MW shelf/cabinet that sits above the benchtop lower than other wall cabinets good place to store the kettle under

@siriuskey actually we don't need 2 x 600 owens. We are ok with one it could be 600 or 900.