I have several Pernetiana roses. Talisman and Souer Therese and Saturnia, all lovely. I wish I still had my Cl. Red Talisman too. It died in the smoke of the 2020 wildfires here on the Oregon coast. It was my fave. I would love to find another to replace it in my garden.

I grew BHdeSnoy 25 years ago - had it for about a decade. Huge gorgeous buff-creamy pink blooms and fragrant. Foliage was a beautiful burgundy to dark green. Very large bush about

5-6 ft, but annoyingly awkward growth that needed support. It's been described as "liking to lean on its elbows" which is true. Our BdHS declined when we tried to shape it and pruned it too hard. It went into a sulk and never recovered. I garden in coastal southern California which has June gloom that over the past decade has extended from March thru July - we often lose the Spring bloom of full-petalled roses which ball in the morning mist. ButI don't remember the Baronne having a problem opening in Spring. The blooms are huge and luscious like Golden Celebration and the over-sensitive Abe Darby.

Mine is self supporting here. It is a beautiful bush here!