Thanks Sirius. I'll digest this over the next few days and at the same time get precise measurements. This whole thread has been so valuable for me! I'll try to summarise everything here into three options in 3D models. Thanks so much everyone, especially Siriuskey and oklouise

ignoring the kitchen and laundry for the time being i'm wondering if something like this could be an option for future ensuite without extending the building

I've checked the measurements thoughout kitchen and laundry. They are all right except, as you pointed out, the laundry length is actually 3.14m, leaving room for the door. The hallway measurement is right, but it doesn't show the door. Here is a pic, which shows the wall space as 50cm from the east wall to the start of the door frame, which I am hoping could be used for a pantry, depending on the final plan. Thanks for your help, as always!

In regards to the ensuite, that is a good option. i neglected to tell you that we have actually already put in a robe at decent cost along the north wall, so I am hesitant to undo that right now! Will cross the ensuite bridge later. My order of reno is 1. Kitchen/dining/outdoor. 2. Studio with bathroom and kitchenette. So that will give us the second bathroom, which we mainly only really care about for guests right now. Thanks for the option though!

So far, which is your favourite option? I'm thinking your original option 3 but I'm keen to tease out this latest option with the laundry reno too.

Thanks again for your help. Here are my two leading options at the moment. I'm vexed, both are good, but both have compromises! Which would you pick? Or should I/we keep thinking?

Thank you oklouise! This is fantastic, as usual. I do think this is the most achievable and I the stacker doors are amazing. I think it's down to these two options. I'll update the models and ponder it for a while. Thanks for all your help. My head hurts and needs rest now.

this process is the cheapest and least stressful part of renovating so you may need to plan for lots more head hurting times "ahead" but careful planning and research will achieve a better result and you need to remember that our suggestions will always be affected by family circumstances, climate and different experiences but your home needs to suit the way you want to live without drowning you in extra debt

siriuskey's plan is excellent but unfortunately the depth of the kitchen turned out to be is narrower than the original RE agents' plans and i couldn't squeeze in the laundry and pantry doors from the kitchen but what about this variation...i think the window wall has to be demolished and rebuilt whatever you choose so you'll be able to size the new servery window to suit and rebuild the gaps and fill in the old kitchen door with suitable cladding

Looks like we both got caught on that one, I would still go with my plan with a small change which gives you a walk in pantry combined laundry.

The island doesn't work at 750 deep as you need 300 to sit up to which would only 250 cabinet.

The island can be made as is 900, or 900 with sit up to one or both ends, 300, that would still give 4 x 600 pot drawers, 2.400 or with the sink 3 x 600 pot drawers and one 600 cabinet to take that.

I would still be keeping the opening to the Alfresco as that's a unique feature to your house and selling point

Thank you both so much. This completes an awesome option with the kitchen on rear wall. I will model these. So to summarise the thread, I am now with two solid, clear options which i will model 1 with kitchen on internal wall, 2 this option with kitchen on rear wall.

If I include the first option which you both suggested, with the kitchen on the north facing walls, I'll have three. I'd prefer not to fill in the walls due to effect on street appeal, and also don't like the idea of cabinetry visible in the windows. Perhaps I'll revisit oklouise's version with a u-shape retro kitchen on the north facing wall, which I liked. Then I may have three options/models. Once I've refined the models perhaps I'll put them to a vote in another thread to help me decide!

THANKS SO MUCH.

@siriuskey! Yes! That is what that is called, Banquette dining! Thanks! My wife suggested this along time ago! Thanks!

Yes it's great and very Retro, American diners etc. great use of space with storage, I forgot to add dining chairs on the other side and end of the table, these can be removed when not being used, This setting works really well with your low windows. cheers

I wonder if I could make the island even bigger, by having the banquette dining? 3.6m? And I could put the cooker in the island. Having the cooker in the island is not my preferred option, but I'm not sold on having it shoved in the corner.

You could already have the oven in the island. In my plan you could swap the wall oven and place the cook top on that side, I will show you what I mean later.

I thought it was a good idea to have zones with the cooking to the right and the sink to the left for hot water etc to be safely disposed of from cooking, or visa versa.

The cook top could have a range hood of your choice above it

If you were to make the Island longer that would most likely take up space for the chairs that sit up to the Banquette table, as it is there is space for your little ones to be in that space while accessing the Alfresco/play/ out door space, which they will as they grow older.

Would love to see what you come up with, you are very talented with your drawings in 3d but I would also like to see 2d. cheers

Just looked at siriuskey's new plan and thinking the door from deck into laundry could be solid lower half with glass upper half. This would enable the person opening the door to enter to notice if someone was exiting the WC, and vice versa. That way no mishaps.

Great thought abou banquette dining in front of window!

agree the door opening into the laundry is difficult, if the kitchen door is removed this door should swing out and back to the wall

Dave I have considered what you said about cooking in the corner and have moved the cook top to the island, the same as what i have and love it. You can either purchase a suspended stainless range hood or have a suspended rectangle box with a extraction fan and down lights installed in it, you can have it as long and wide as you like.

I have also changed the laundry door to open outwards

Have you considered setting up the garage as a Media room, everyone seems to want one, along with accommodation cheers

Sirius - In regards to the garage - that is now 'stage 2' of the renovation, after kitchen/dining. Actually before this thread my loose plan was to remove it and replace with something smaller, but oklouise included some great ideas in her first floor plan. So now, my plan is for a studio with small kitchenette and bathroom. Purpose is for me to work from home in peace, and a self-contained 4th bedroom for guests, also (hopefully) adding significant value to the home. I'd actually be interested in yours and other houzzers thoughts on a floor plan for the garage studio, but it probably warrants a whole new thread!

The Brick Garage is an added bonus, you could check with council to see if you would be able to change the roof line for an attic bedroom.

Re the cook top in the island 2 things, you thought you might like to try it as you mentioned not liking being stuck in the corner.

An island cook top works really well as long as you follow the rules for every cook top and "not allow pot handles to hang out so the children can't grab hold of them", it would also be a good idea to have a small sink in the island for moving between both.

Your separate pantry on the kitchen wall could be set up like this with appliances

I did mean to mention that as per my floor plans I would not keep the opening between the dining /living room as this will allow better wall space in the living room and also in the kitchen/ dining which is important.

Having a Banquette setting allows more space and better flow in the kitchen dining, additional chairs can be stacked and moved away from the table which can pushed back towards the seating, which will allow space for small people to share time with you.

Cabinets sizes can be finalized once you get close to deciding what layout you want. Attaching a photo of a modern take on a retro kitchen

Sorry Dave, more info for you, 60cms is the recommended space per person, so the 2400 opening will give good seating for four stools, which I think is the correct number. I have added a double oven next to the fridge which can also house a MW. but that's just one idea, you can have a single under bench oven if you prefer. In my last plan I did forget to add back the small sink ,cheers

what about moving the garage to the laneway side of house and then you recover the side of the house for garden or recreational purposes

Hi Dave, hope you are enjoying your weekend with the family, it will be excellent if your dream to work fromhome happens, what do you do (you don't have to answer that)

I just wanted to reassure you that you won't have to re build the whole back wall, having 3 older brothers who were builders helps.

At the moment across the back wall of the kitchen/meals/dining you have

two kitchen windows 2.4? that will be removed and with adjustment perhaps a new lentil they will be replaced with the new Bi fold windows.

The only other opening at the moment is the single kitchen door which will be bricked up, using bricks from the newly opened up double sliding door from the dining area.

This wall will then need to be either rendered to cover up these changes, or using timber cladding that you might like to use when you remove the garage door, The old garage with attic mezzanine level bedroom could have the same cladding or render,

Your new Carport/garage will also need to use the same finish.

On another note and from an old brickie you could reuse the bricks that are removed to make the doorway into the dining room, done well you won't even notice the changes to the brick work when bricking up the old doorway and any patching around the window if needed. cheers

I think that would work perfectly with the banquette, love the floors and your retro furniture

oklouise - thanks for the latest floor plan! I trust your opinion so I'll place the cooker on the wall and stop thinking about it! I was wondering about island depth. Inclination is to always push things to be as big as possible, but I don't want to be cramped. And given that sink and cooker will not be on the island, I'm sure 75cm will be more than adequate. Thanks.

One more question to you all - given the latest ideas on renovations that we are proposing in these latest floor plans (kitchen/dining/lving), what do you think my budget should be? We are not going to go over the top on kitchens. e.g we are happy with laminate bench tops for their retro feel. Not including the cost of the decking yet either.

after writing a long winded answer based on our experiences i changed my mind and suggest you should start with your basic plan and approach several builders for quotes to do everything and, using that quote as a base line, research how and where to economise.. the best builders are usually busy but if you're not in too much of a hurry to wait for a better result the waiting time can be spent researching every individual item that you'll need to choose eg will a $14 hollow core internal door suit you as well as a $200 solid core door or can you recycle doors you already own (the difference in price could pay for eg the kitchen taps) what is the real cost of the laminate kitchen? what about DIY flatpac cabinets? is a cheap sink as good as an expensive one? ...having this knowledge will give you some control over last minute cost surprises and a HOUZZ post asking about cost saving ideas should encourage an avalanche of suggestions...my favourite suggestion is to keep as much of the original as possible without too many custom frills..btw seeing the photo of the gorgeous room divider with the cavity slider you need to understand that planning the etxra double cavity slider in that same wall (between kitchen and living) means that the new doors will interfere with cavity for the existing door and something will have to compromise..

Thanks oklouise. That's a sensible response to a ridiculously broad question of mine. Now the search for builders starts... btw in regards to the room divider, yes I realise we'll probably have to lose the actual door. I like the divider without the door anyway! Thanks for all your help.

siriuskey - the last picture you posted here - do you have any details of the kitchen? i.e. where is it, who made it? We love it.

Hi all. Just wanted to say, I'm amazed with the help I've got from this thread, especially the major contributors - oklouise and siriuskey, thank you so much. We've pretty much landed on a final design, and it includes so many things I would not have thought of by myself, like the serverey window, the banquette seats, pantry locations, fridge locations etc, and also the a workable plan to incorporate a studio using the existing garage - so, thanks so much!

Today I went to a kitchen designer in Melbourne for an initial chat, I actually took in the latest floor plan (oklouise's one with measurements). I asked for their opinion and they thought it was great as is suggested. It was so handy having it there!

So... thanks everyone, especially oklouise and siriuskey!

saw this photo and thought of my suggestion for different cabinet depths for your island and this is how it can look without knee space the full length of the island

Thanks oklouise! Can you also recommend any kitchen sellers/builders? While I like the idea of going fully custom, reality might have to prevail at some point. Any idea of makers of good flatpack or just realatively affordable kitchens that would work well in a mid-century vibe place? I like the pic here for example!

the kitchen cabinets are a very small component and come much later after the major work is completed....NB because there are big holes to knock in walls that need to be fixed asap (and you said that you have never renovated before) first ask council if you need a Development Application (probably ok but you must make sure) and then i very strongly recommend that you invest in a builder to take responsibility for organising the crowd of people who need to arrive in the correct sequence to do the major demolition and rebuilding including doors, windows, ceilings, architraves, skirting, moving electrical wiring and plumbing up to "first fix" and then the kitchen cabinets (that you have been quietly assembling out in the shed) can be installed and the plumber and electrician come back and install the taps, sink, dw, oven, power points etc and then you will need to paint and install new floor and window coverings (and start the planning the next project)...all this is possible to arrange as a qualified owner builder but very difficult to do without some previous experience while living on the premises as well as trying to earn a living and look after a family...the last plan i posted can be used trial the kitchen planners available on line for flatpac cabinets ...but first make a final plan, a list of exactly what you want under the headings of 1. demolition (knock out opening for sliding door in dining room) remove old kitchen windows and door, create a doorway between laundry and toilet 2. what goes in the new holes?? 3. etc etc and starting asking builders for quotes

Bunnings use Kaboodle

http://www.kaboodle.com.au/assembly-library

So glad you are feeling better, siriuskey. You were missed. :)

You could a similar look to the photo I posted earlier by doing this, scroll to the bottom. https://www.kaboodle.com.au/design-blog/got-a-favourite-colour-paint-your-own-doors

Thank you annb, that helps to make me feel better x

thanks both for the detailed answers. as always I am blown away! I have the first builder coming along for a look and initial quote on Friday, will see what they say. Thanks again.

Hi there Dave,

Something for you to keep in mind, I love builders and from my experience they are good at what they do, build, they are not designers, so take on board and consider everything very carefully.

Be careful here Dave, you are in danger of undertaking half baked ideas with no overall flow or rationale..sorry but what I mean is you are likely to get a kitchen that sort of works, outdoor areas that might not and a garage that might be moved. A proper design process will look at all these issues and then work how to stage it. Detailed drawings can be done when builders are engaged. You will get a much better result and money will be saved in the long run.