Help me with my new butlers pantry design
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7 years agoThese pictures shows the Laundry, kitchen and butlers dimensions plus an overview of what surrounds these rooms. The triangle cupboard is a broom cupboard and doesnt have to be there we just didnt know what else to do with the space.
The Laundry, I was allowing for a 700mm deep bench for the washing machine and dryer to sit flush with the cabinets if possible.
The island bench can move slightly but I was trying to make it as big as possible keeping in mind the maximum length for the stone we are looking at is 3000mm. The bench will be 1400mm wide.
thankyou for your help
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Comments (13)an easier way to "avoid voids" would be to have a simple L shaped 50cm deep counter on two sides with a small drop in sink and standard wall cabinets with open shelves above and below ...the extra dotted line on the 311 side of my plan shows a tall x 15cm deep x 79cm wide open shelf ideal for numerous cans, bottles and packetsomitting doors would save space (and cost) and give much easier access to the corners and any cabinet maker should be able to produce this arrangement by producing several custom sized base cabinets (similar to this plan) with standard sized wall cabinets and extra adjustable shelves...See MoreHow do we add a butlers pantry and straighten the hallway?
Comments (11)some extra ideas without changes to external walls or windows, removing the ens bath would allow an extra biw and giant shower (although an external door from the ensuite could be great for access to the pool or courtyard) strongly suggest you keep the hallway entry to the powder room for easy access from garage and home office and, adding sliding doors could make the home office more flexible for a future baby's room, the original study divided into garage storage and mudroom, walk in new pantry with sink, replacing the crooked central walls allows for the pantry, extra storage, private access to the minor bedrooms and bathroom and a better location for the heater ...simple refurbishing of the kitchen and ensuite with relatively minor demolition and reconstructing of walls and storage could easily use up $150,000 so probably best to plan and price each area separately but there are extras like the sink in the pantry and handbasin in the family toilet that will improve comfort and be much better value than changing any external doors or windows...See MoreHelp, do I need a sink in my butler's pantry?
Comments (45)Note - This is what I think of the concept in general. It's not a criticism again the OP - I think Butler's pantries are better idea's in concept than practice. I've not understood the rationale for a kitchen thats separate to your kitchen, unless of course you are prepping all your meals in there in which case what is the kitchen for? I think it's a sign of the times that we have more space and more money than we know what to do with when we start installing two kitchens in the same space. Of course I understand the rationale for a pantry. A place to store food items that may not be used frequently and the same for appliances. In the days when food was only available in season and the only way to preserve certain foods was to pickle and bottle it then a large space to store those supplies was necessary. We live in the modern age now where any food can be gotten easily and cheaply all year round. So these spaces are housing mostly appliances that we rarely use. And if we rarely use them you have to ask yourself why you are holding onto them?...See Moresmall butler's Pantry/walk in pantry
Comments (15)Thanks @dreamer. I took your advice because it makes sense (I'll post a photo of our new plan) I think it's lovely that you and your husband still do dishes together, I quite enjoy doing the dishes actually, but not when my toddler is stuck on my leg. Dishwasher will probably used when we have guests over. It's actually my husband who was sold on the idea of butler's pantry but I couldn't justify it and see the point that's why I posted on here to hopefully see from other's perspective so thank you. We are a young family so always taking the kids into consideration when planning the house. We also entertain a lot, Filipino buffet style, so an island will be perfect! I sew a lot and need a big space for cutting fabric as well that's also why we wanted to keep the island without the sink. We plan to put a barn door as pantry door but we might do that later on after we have moved in and see how it goes or we might even leave it without a door but we will make sure they put in extra support in those walls for possible barn door. We abandoned the idea of window inside the pantry because I figured it will let a lot of sunlight especially it's facing north east and not good for food storage obviously. The only dilemma I have now is whereto place our microwave and deep shelving solutions for the pantry but we're pretty happy with this now. Thank you all...See More
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the original position of the occasional access freezer is fine with the 800 distance to the occasional use food storage shelves although 200 deep shelves would be more than adequate for most packaged foods (measure the cans, bottles and packages you expect to store and even the largest package of cereal will fit on a 200mm shelf) and the triangular space seems a wasted opportunity for more space in the kitchen with brooms in the spare corner in the pantry (or fill the space with deeper shelves for extra deep food storage) and consider two options for the kitchen
this options allows those seated at the island to look out the window and more generous space for the living area
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Another layout for you to consider is to get rid of that terrible angled corner by squaring off the pantry/kitchen and running a computer/desk or extra storage along the angled wall, with the small corner angle being concealed.
You could also have another entrance into the pantry for access to the drinks fridge and to clear the table straight into the cleanup area and not onto the Island.
The Island to have each of the end cabinets on the dining side facing out from the side of the Island to give normal access , these could both be drawers
Family fridge along back wall with Food prep on the Island with sink and fridge and cook forming the "Triangle"
- 7 years agothankyou for all your suggestions. I have thought about the ideas you have put forward and would like your opinion on the following option I have been working on as well, Im not sure if this or the original options were better.
I have thought about deleting the triangle broom and incorpoating it into the pantry and creating two entrances.
I was thinking if I put the ovens on the pantry wall and then trying to integrate the entrance doors with the kitchen cabinetry it could look quite good.
I have moved the fridge to the wall that adjoins the linen / mud, however as the fridge is deeper than the 600mm kitchen bench allowance I have to steal 60mm space from somewhere either from the laundry or the garage.
I am not sure about the kitchen fridge location and whether I should switch it to the other end. I realise it would be in the walkway to the pantry but now that there are 2 entrances would it matter.
The reason for moving it would be to balance the island with the bench behind. I dont know if this is silly or not or if Im just over thinking it.
The computer nook was a great idea thankyou and probably would have considered that, however we already have one in another location in the house, but you weren't to know that.
thankyou again for your help and suggestions.
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A very rough idea that I was going to suggest was to move the kitchen bench back so you have a straight run of cabinets into the pantry and not having the current step back. This would give you move space in the kitchen Family room. If you don't need the desk you could add extra storage in that space perhaps linen even. I think the second fridge is better next the other opening, but up to you.
PRO7 years agoAcute angles in any room are never a good idea - hard to clean, and a waste of space. Better to angle the walls to meet the outside wall square on (red wall on my plan). I like siriuskey's idea of a study nook, whether it be for kids or parents. My plan creates space for a desk, and also provides more space for additional shelves in the butler's pantry.
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PRO7 years ago- 7 years agoThankyou all for your comments, to help understand why the angles are there I have an overview picture to help visualise the whole design.
It will be on a rural block and we didnt like the straight homestead design houses. We wanted something a bit different and this design ticks our boxes.
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