Hi There! Thank you for responding. The space between the island and the back wall is 1100mm I read a fair few Houzz kitchen layout posts and I think the recommendation was between 950-1200mm? I think. Do you think it's too much room there? Happy for any feedback.

I did look at a fair few articles on the kitchen triangle, which is why I've got my pantry and fridge in their respective positions. The cabinetry next to the fridge will house my most used pantry items, appliances, cutlery and plates. My main issue is where to place the sink in the island (because of limited space) in relation to the cook top.

Hi, I've just recently done my kitchen and I have my sink in the island bench. I have a 500mm gap between the sink and the end of the bench to allow for a bin/rubbish drawer. As a suggestion, I'd be inclined to move the study out of the pantry area and perhaps swap it with the fridge. Our wine fridge is under the island bench at the end, which in your case would benefit your dining area and have the dishwasher next to the sink. My bench is 1120mm x 2710mm fits 4 stools along it. From an aesthetically pleasing and functional view, extending your bench to line up with the end of your kitchen and making it the same depth as the cupboard next to the fridge would look better. I have a swing door to the pantry that looks like part of the cabinetry so you can close it off or have it open which is a fantastic feature. I hope this is helpful. Kitchens are very stressful and expensive and you really want to get them right. Good Luck!

Don't go narrower than 1100mm for such a well used part of kitchen. We have that gap and I wish we had an extra 100mm when two are in the kitchen. I'm nit tall and the gap is barely a turn and step to go between island and wall bench top. I personally would not be happy with sink so close to edge. We had a sink positioned at the edge of bench like that in previous house and frequently sloshed water down the side of cabinets and into wood floorboards when washing large pans or chopping boards. It depends on how you use the sink though? Do you have a dishwasher placed below? How often would you want to stack dirty dishes on one side and then have clean ones draining on the other side? It is handy to have a nice argue prepping/gathering space on an island. I have left mine (bit smaller than yours) completely free other than under bench microwave and power point on the side for mixer when baking. Further to the point about space between island and wall bench, if you have low down oven with downward opening door and a dishwasher in island with downward opening door then even more reason to maximise distance between them.

I agree with Scottevie. I just read it's 1100 between your wall and island bench. In that case I wouldn't narrow the gap. Mine is 1380mm which is plenty space. If you can spare another 100mm then do it.

Hi Guys! Thanks for all your advice. Amorro - if I change it to a gallery style kitchen and bring the study out, it it reduces the island depth from 1200 to 900 and the clearway is reduced from 1100 to 1050 :( That's why I can't do that style. In the current layout I can definitely increase the clearway from 1100 up to 1400 if i wanted to as the nearest furniture is over 1.5m away.

I've reloaded with some extra dimensions... I'm going to do one side study and the other a "built in pantry" as per below pic to keep it concealed but easily accessible and not claustrophobic for the study area (and I've left a generous gap between both areas)

This is a queenslander style home and the laundry is downstairs. The main reason I laid everything as is, was to bring just the washing machine and dryer upstairs and leaving the large laundry sink downstairs.

We figure by the time we start a family I can't be running downstairs to wash baby vomit or wet sheets at 2am, and then running back up to change sheets. Thus, even if we just have enough room for the washing machine and dryer on top with a mop on the side, that's enough for now (no where else for it to go) and saves some headaches down the track.

I still can't figure out where to put the dishwasher and sink in the island. haha! first world problems . lol.

When the hen the time comes to be worrying about that sort of thing definitely invest in a couple of 'brolly sheets' or the like. Lifesavers for avoid having to change the entire bed during the night

Is that a wine fridge next to your sink? If so, I'd move it to along the wall where your dining table is. You could get away with a 500mm sink, which is what I've got and I can wash my pots and pans quite comfortably in this size. In doing that you'll have plenty of room on both sides of the sink and your dishwasher underneath. I don't understand why your fridge is so deep, most fridges you only need 600mm depth. I would say leave your washer/dryer in your laundry downstairs and better utilise the space for your pantry. You won't be running up and down at 2am in the morning to do washing when the kids come along. As Scottevie says you can have water proof mattress protectors on the beds, and throw them in a bucket until morning :-)

Hi Guys! Yeah I'm going to definitely change the layout. I can't really afford to pay for a kitchen designer, because we already spent money on a "designer" for our house and the above was something similar that they came up with.

Amorro - no sorry it's a dishwasher. the wine fridge will go in the wall behind the dining table - its bar/wine wall.

Millthumpian - The only reason I wanted the sink in the island is to ensure I prep there. I didn't want my back to be facing the living area unless it was just for the cook top and oven.

I totally understand having the sink along that back wall next to the cook top (a distance away but on that wall) but that would mean I'm basically prepping along that back wall and defeating the purpose of the island.

I didn't think of the difficult cleaning a 1200 island! hahaha, thanks for that tip. The fridge area is actually 850 deep. Is that too much room?

I think 850mm deep for your fridge is too much space. The fridge usually buts out a little so you can open the doors fully. My fridge is about 650mm. Most fridges these days don't need as much depth, it's mostly for ventilation. If you know what fridge you're putting in then you can easily download the specs from the website. I don't know whether you have kitchen companies where you are located like Ikea or Freedom. You can easily get them out to review your space and help you with a design without having to commit to them. Freedom might not hand over the design to you but at least you'll get ideas from what they draw up in front of you. Ikea have computers set up in their kitchen design areas where you can get help with the design. I would definitely suggest getting help as I don't think you've quite utilised the space as best you can.

Also if you've got a 60cm oven, then your oven trays should fit in a 500mm sink. Again if you know what oven you're getting then download the specs and measure the trays. I've had double sinks and I personally think they're a waste of space, but it is a personal choice.

Our island is 900 depth, 2400 wide, with a sink in the middle (opposite the cooktop), which works well for us. Plenty of prep area either side of the sink (mind you, it's a single undermount sink, about 500mm wide, with no drainboard).

If we were going to use the island for actual meals, ours is only deep enough for a person either side of the sink. So, if you're thinking of having the island as a dining area, go to the 1200 depth. Just walk around it to clean it. On the other hand, if the island is going to be for prep, and a place for guests to prop up a glass of wine and chat while you're getting dinner, 900 is fine.

Our dishwasher is to the immediate left of the sink, and we have pull out waste bins underneath the sink.

We have 1200 mm space from island to the wall side and the range top, and about the same to the other ends. Our fridge, which isn't huge, is in a 900 mm+ cavity which would be big enough for a deeper fridge. It's in relatively the same place your fridge is, and works fine there. Hinges are on the non-kitchen side of the door, so it opens into the kitchen. Cabinets beside it are a bit more in depth, so fridge and cabinets line up nicely. 850 for your fridge seems reasonable to me.

I wouldn't put that study where you have it: I think you'll need all of that butler's pantry for butlering type storage.

My 5 cents worth based on new house, new experience, absolutely no kids in the equation!

Okay so this is my second attempt! lol. I will go into freedom kitchens tomorrow and see how they can help out as well.

The above is changing it based on feedback. Obviously this is just really rough stuffing around.

1) unsure where to place the fridge

2) moved the study nook out so I think that works better.

3) can't figure out what I should or shouldn't put in the butlers pantry and if it should be open or closed.

Okay, another 5 cents worth. I'd leave the fridge where it is, and put lots more storage in the butler's pantry. Good benchtops, lots of shelving for drygoods, etc. Especially when there are kids involved, you'll need it. Our butler's pantry has a pocket door. Open most of the time, but when we have guests, we can hide the disaster in the pantry.

Hi! The dining wall is 2.55m wide along the wine storage wall there.

Distance between far left wall and chair: 75cm which is enough to pull back your chair and stand up.

Distance from dining table to kitchen island 1.15m

This dining table is for special dinners only and very unlikely for people to walk behind each other to the left wall there. That's why my kitchen island is 1.2m in depth because it will be the bulk of casual dining.

I can even move it to 80cm and still have 1.10 between island and table.

My question about your original plan is why would you have the fridge so far from your work area? It appears to be out into the rest of that space (Living space??) and you have to be right round at the end of your island to access it. Taking things from your fridge you would need to put them onto your dedicated dining side of your island! Your 2nd or 3rd plan would seem much more practical. And you doooo please need to have bench on both sides of your sink!

Study space? Not sure it is good to place that in your pantry! Maybe if your dining area is not used regularly you could use part of your bar/wine storage space for a dedicated but hidden study space. I suppose it depends who is going to use that for study - is it for laptop and a couple of files for home accounts/recipes etc or will it be for, say, a work-from-home area?

As you have been somewhat locked into a particular setup by your current designer I suggest a re-look would be useful: get some specialists - Ikea or Freedom, and maybe other kitchen specialists - to look at your overall space and check that there is not a more useful arrangement (ie remove the fridge and pantry walls, and the dining area and let them start from scratch!). Oh dear - what am I suggesting! More decisions!! And all you wanted was some suggestion about the sink!

Thank you everyone for your advice. I've since done some changes with the designer and finally have a set plan. All good to go!