extension roof and floor plan advice

ronski73

7 years ago

WIR LOUNGE and STORE slab have to be kept.

removal of rumpus and toilet and store rear wall.

exhisting main house 11 ft.

thinking about 10 ft vs 11 ft ceiling heights.

really confused how roof should be designed to blend in with new design.

measurements not precise.

any thoughts on floor plans and or roof design appreciated.

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Neryl Hollingsworth
7 years ago
Hi. Looks like a great addition. Do you have any plan of the side aspect/rooflines?
ronski73
Original Author
7 years ago
original below with 9 ft ceiling flat roof.

but I'm trying to work out best before sending back to draftsman.

not sure we can do a flat roof with 11 ft extension, also no room for ac etc.

cheeers
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Manias Associates Building Designers
7 years ago
Hi ronski73

You have a great house with great possibility for a great extension, the living room areas are well orientated to north and there seem to be ample space. There are few points that you might like to consider.
1. The roof plan really needs to be shown, at the moment the roofs do not seem to work well for massing, and the back elevation needs to be revisited especially for spans and roof pitch. Its difficult to work out how some of these roofs will work with different pitches as you have shown.
2. A 3D model of the house would make this easy to visualize especially how "old meets new" , I think this is very important for the overall look of the house. My practice is always to use 3D models for my clients, I use Chief Architect which does this process relatively quickly and relatively inexpressive. 3D views will help you identify problem areas which might bother you in the long run.
3. The living areas (there are two Family rooms shown on the plan plus a dining area and a meals area, a kitchen area and another area shown as a "cook" which I assume was the old kitchen shown on the plan which might become a bedroom)would really benefit by showing the furniture as I think you might be able to trim these areas a bit and get better functionality - big does not necessarily mean better when extending - just means it costs more for little extra return and more vacuuming and cleaning.
4. Its difficult to understand why you would have the new toilet and bathroom in the addition when the existing one is just outside the living areas. In a lot of ways its better located than the proposed new one. There may be specific reasons for this however you might benefit by revisiting your brief as why you have include this extra expense.
5. The kitchen is of good size and I think its well located, however the relationship of your stove and sink does not work because in an emergency - say a flame in a pan - you instinctively rush the pan top sink and its at that time that someone is walking past (children for example) and results in injury. A hot plate should be located about "one working station" (about 800 to a 1meter) from the sink and in line with each other. Then there is a relationship with the fridge, pantry, sink and hotplate to reduce walking that you might like to consider. This relationship helps to limit excess walking when cooking and reduces cleaning floor areas.
6. Bedroom 1 new ES the toilet and the basins are shown on the side where the bedhead my be placed, this means that if anybody use the toilet during the night it might wake the person sleeping. Again showing the furniture might help in resolving this issue. Also its best if possible to not have the entry of the walk-in robes of the bathroom as this allows for possibility of moisture to build up in your clothes and help the breeding of mites and you end up with smelly itchier clothes.
7. The dining room might help by being open up a little to the family room (if retained as a dining room) else it might look a bit dark and dingy considering it gets no direct light.
All in all you have a great opportunity for improvement, a good sketch design is everything, after that its a matter of getting a decent sets of working drawings.

Having done the design process many time I'm fully aware it can be taxing and frustrating, but good advice always pays off in the end.

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Building Designers. mm407p@gmail.com

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