I suspect you won't really need it, but if you are thinking of a sink to keep the kids out of your hair while prepping, why not one of those little bar sinks? Minimal space, gives the kids a chance to get a glass of water while you're prepping at the real sink.

Three sinks is too much. Better to have bench space. Train the kids to stay out of your hair unless you're teaching them to cook. Mirror will also reflect your chest. If you're ok with that, go ahead.

I am not sure about the working triangle in this kitchen & disagree to having a third sink. I personally would avoid the sink on the main island bench. I am also having trouble with the cook top so far away from the repositioned sink as it is then isolated from main prep areas. If there is any redo I would move most of it around unfortunately.

This is similar to our new kitchen design. We will be having fridge where your entrance to study is. Cooktop on this back bench, sink on island to the left and double ovens stacked before door into Butlers. We have a window across our right hand island.

I think having the hob on the island is better.

You spend more time using the hob than the sink so you might as well face into the room while you are doing that. http://anewhouse.com.au/2013/01/sink-or-cook-top-on-island/

I wouldn't put the sink on the island, you have a sink in the butlers pantry, that's where all the 'stuff' should stay, that's what they're for, so you have lovely clean and clear space in the seen areas. Why don't you put the sink nearer to the cooktop?, you already have all the plumbing there, I wanted a mirrored splash back in my new kitchen but was advised against it, 1; I have gas and mirror isn't safety rated, 2; it will reflect everything, I'm glad I didn't do it, I went for a dark grey glass and love it

Can you fit your dishwasher into the butler's pantry with a good sized sink so that this is your 'main sink' used for all the messy clean up and then have your small prep sink on the island as you have suggested. 3 sinks seems too many, but it sounds like a small sink up that end of the kitchen is practical for your family.

We bought a European sink which has a wooden cutting board that fits perfectly on top so when I'm not using the sink it's handier than having a hole in the island

We've just finished a kitchen reno with Butlers pantry. Maybe a small sink on the deck for BBQing and kids. Leave sink in island, handy for cooking rinsing and topping stuff up on cooktop. I prep on island and in pantry. Besides the sink my fridge is the next most used and I would swap the fridge and oven spaces so the fridge is closer to the pantry but don't put it in the pantry. Dishwasher should be near a sink for rinsing and near where you store all your plates, cutlery and cookware or you'll be carrying stuff from one room to the other.

Hhommeeideas, What do you mean by under island water waste? Is this something separate?

Hi after just completing our kitchen I have dishwasher and double sink in butlers and a smaller sink off centre (to allow for a large prep area) on the island. This is very handy, you don't have to go to the butlers for running water etc. Pic attached for reference. Bin is under bench next to the island sink - also very handy. All at the end of bench closest to fridge. Works really well!!!

I would put the cook top and oven where you currently have the main sink, on the other side on the island I would put a small prep sink with a pull out water faucet that can be accessed to both the small prep sink and the cook top, you can use this faucet for any fillups for any thing on the stove, put the main sink in the Butlers Pantry, that way your dinner dishes are out of sight - having the prep sink in the island and the cook top in the island will be an advantage when you have guests around, they will be with you while you are conversing and working, the children can go back and forth into the Butlers Pantry for their drinks etc and are not near the cooking area - that way your bench space where your cook top is in the original design will be totally clear for any other work, love the idea of the mirror splashback to showcase the outdoors

You need to stop and breathe...I think you have had too much time to over think. You have forgotten your initial design...a butlers pantry is your preparation zone. Swap your sinks so you have your larger sink in the butlers pantry and move your dishwasher to accommodate cleaning your dishes. Good luck!

The only problem with having your "main sink" in the butler's pantry, as several people have suggested, is that once clean, all the dishes need to be carted back out to where they are stored. BUT if your main storage for all your dishes, cups, pans, cutlery etc is in the butler's pantry, then by all means, have your dishwasher and sink there too. One of the biggest time savers is having your dishwasher and sink combo as close as possible to the cupboards.drawers where you store your dishes, cutlery and pots.

To answer your question: think first about where your main sink and the dishwasher will fit closest to your dish, cutlery and pots cabinetry, THEN see if you still want/need another sink in the island bench. And never forget the design triangle.

You're lucky to be designing a brand new kitchen! We are currently building and spent lots of time considering kitchen. Obviously personal preferences vary enormously but some points to consider that may assist you?:

• sink and dishwasher should really be together or you'll be carrying dripping things across the room.

• butlers pantry: again, very personal, but so many people I know have said they hate theirs and don't want to be stuck in a cupboard alone doing all the work!

•consider how you use your kitchen now- I would argue that we all spend more time near the sink than we realise, or using the bench beside it, and reaching for the bin. Plan your new kitchen around how you already use your kitchen, don't speculate what you might do differently in a new space.

And finally, a comment I read on houzz last year that put so much in perspective for me said this: use your kitchen, kitchens are busy and can get messy, don't try to hide everything that makes it a kitchen! What next, they said, a bedroom for show with perfect linen and cushions and a pokey bed in the wardrobe to sleep in so you don't mess up the display?!!

I'm sure your kitchen will be great, make it spacious, practical and welcoming.

You won't need three sinks more work more cleaning

less is more

keep it simple

it wil also make you bench look untidy and also more taps and cost

3 sinks too much, a small prep sink a good idea, and only the sink in the butlers pantry as you have a dish washer

My aunt and uncle have a similar set up with a small prep sink in the island and it has lasted two kitchen renovations. It is great. You can wash vegies and prepare a salad away from the action and chat to another "worker" in the kitchen. Grabbing a quick glass of water, washing your hands, rinsing a handful of herbs fresh in from the garden or filling the kettle all mean the kitchen becomes a communal hub where more than one person can help out.

They have a deep commercial stainless steel sink that can hide an ocean of dirty dishes during entertaining. Their regular parties have 60-120 pax and a sit down three course for ~24 can be run comfortably out of their kitchen. The prep sink is integral to this functionality.

we are yet to make a final decision on this. .However my final thoughts (I think) is that we will put a double sink in the island bench so I can chat to my guests who sit at the island bench whilst I prepare dinner etc instead of being stuck in the pantry. Dirty dishes into the dishwasher or pots in the sink but bench clear. I don't host dinner parties with people who would be offended by seeing a dirty saucepan on my island bench. Good luck with your final decision.

I was going to say yes - one rectangular on the short end of the rectangle - washing glasses etc can be great - but if you have a second sink already in the scullery I think that's enough - check your traffic flow

Firstly, I really like the idea of having the stove on the island bench instead because you are using that more than the actual sink so you can face everyone and not be staring at a wall while you cook.

To answer your question, as for a third sink, I wouldn't bother and just use the butlers pantry as backup.

Great to have so much space. The things I like in my kitchen are :

the sink under the window so I can see out side while doing mundane dishes (but I hate having my back to guests so will leave dishes whilst entertaining )

stove on Side wall where I can still see and chat to others but be out of flow to fridge and cupboards with cookery cutlery so others can set table etc

island to do prep and chat to others facing room

dishwasher opposite crockery and cutlery storage so most can be unpacked and put straight away without moving

Loose uncovered rubbish bin under sink that I pull out and lift up to edge of island to scrape any mess into

Powerpoints on side of island bench perhaps my favourite and wish I had at both ends

heating duct in kicker under island bench to warm me when making brekkie.

Crockery in drawers, in fact almost everything under bench in drawers.

make yours what you like and enjoy. Cheers