Floorplan advice bathroom placement dilemmas

3 years ago

I have 3 design dilemmas I'm trying to solve in the one go! 1) I'd really like the main bedroom (currently Bed 1) to have a walk-in-robe, 2) I'd like to fix the pantry being out of the kitchen and up the hall (the fridge spot is a bit small too) and 3) I'd rather not have the main bathroom coming straight off the kitchen (the main bathroom footprint is also large and the corridor with basins seem a waste of space)
I was thinking of either moving the main bedroom to Bed 3 and converting the main bathroom to an ensuite/WIR, plus maybe with an alcove for the fridge, then converting the original ensuite to the main bathroom.
Or keeping the main bed where it is and perhaps enlargening the ensuite to split it into an ensuite/WIR, then reconfiguring the main bathroom to create a corridor (plus spot for fridge/pantry). I've attached the original floorplan plus sketches of the 2 options.
My main questions are, could either of these work? Are the bedrooms really too small to fit in a useful WIR with an ensuite? Thanks for any advice!

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oklouise
3 years ago
is this a new build or a renovation and can you add the upstairs plans and show location of north and the width and length of your block
dreamer
3 years ago
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My suggestion:
Move pantry to current fridge recess. Create an island, removing peninsula. Put fridge along wall next to the sink.

Put a door on the main bathroom entrance.

Convert old pantry into robe for bed 3, or just keep as is, and use for extra storage.
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Sorry but I would sack the draftsman. He/shes no architect. That roof is a nightmare. I try and think about the function of each room and how you would live in it. The entrance is like a cricket pitch but no where to put the bat and ball when you are finished. You come in from the garage or entry door and you are in the middle of nowhere.. Where you going to put you shoes and jacket. And if you want to use the toilet or wash your hands went you get home you have a 20m trek through the house.?? Don't like the bedroom 1 right at the front door and the doors are all hung wrong. You are going to be walking around them all day. The ensuite is badly sized. Shower to narrow, toilet too long and no basin. You going to be opening that door with dirty hands. Think about the floor space to dry your self and dress/undress. Cavity sliders are a pain. Like you have to open them almost all the way to get through where an opening door you glide through. With cavities also you mostly have to walk into the corner of a room to get in and out (study and rumpus) where as a normal door it 1/2 a step less. Master bedroom walk-in wardrobe is dumb. Draw it on the ground, work out how your clothes will hang, and see how much room you have left. Same for the bedroom 3 and 4 wardrobes..Dumb. What were you thinking with that pantry.. It like 8 steps in then 8 out again. Pantry should be more square, have a butlers sink in it. Be the food prep area, pots dishes etc out of sight especially in an open plan place. Be light and the food perpetration area be close enough to the door so you can converse with the guests or family other wise you might as well have a maid who is not seen or heard. Bed 3 and 4 are miles away from a bathroom. The toilet is probably OK in size, just needs a bigger door. 720 you are going sideways through it. Bed 2 backs onto the shower and toilet. Which room are you going to put your little kid in. Long way from mum and dad.
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As usual, this is about balancing out priorities.........really need more info/detail on overall context/limits in regards to how much play we have, but possibly you could consider flipping around like this: This would achieve more robe length - but achieving 3x equal set-ups can be challenging and it comes down to how much flexibility you have one way or the other and working out where the priorities settle/fall.......the entrance point into bedroom 3 is currently limited by the void and whether this is a critical feature or not is not clear........of course a single central bathroom would be easy done but that's not what you want, and ultimately you should be clear/confident in regards to requirements/how you wish your family to live and as a designer I'll never judge people's specific requirements/needs but rather assist in resolving a solution for what is wanted......but invariably it involves equally working out where the inevitable compromises are best made and the trick is to consolidate the compromises to the lower priority aspects,,,,,,,for example here, what is going to win/override the other? Is it going to be the Void? Or consider conceding the void detail to achieve a more balanced/even bedroom set-up working as desired? Not right and wrong stuff here, more about what is best suited to you, but bear in mind that there is no such thing as "perfect", ever, regardless of budget or context...However if we are able to successfully manoeuvre to achieve the higher priorities at expense of some of the lower, then generally people will be significantly more satisfied with the end result......hope this helps..good luck :) PD
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dreamer
3 years ago
If there is only a requirement for two bedrooms. You could make the bed 3, bed 2, and main bathroom into a large suite.
Three bedrooms can be returned with little disruption If required.
HU-525325068
Original Author
3 years ago
Hi oklouise. It's a renovation. The front entrance faces west, slightly NW, so North is to the right of the plan above. It's a 2 storey, 5 bed house, with the entrance on the top floor. Block is 15 X 48m, the house itself is 9m wide. I'll attach a plan of both up and downstairs. Thanks for your input.
HU-525325068
Original Author
3 years ago
PS there isn't a pantry on the lower leven in the laundry, that's an error
HU-525325068
Original Author
3 years ago
Dreamer, many thanks for your ideas. After living with both, I like having the wardrobe out of the bedroom, but you're right, there's little point if you lose a lot of storage. I'll ponder your sketches. Thanks again!
oklouise
3 years ago
my suggestion for the master suite depends on location of the windows but removing the biw and changing the location of the master bedroom entry door would allow enough space for an ens and wiw with 4.2m of full height storage plus space for a tall chest of drawers and plenty of standing/dressing area and the ens would allow for double vanity and 1200 x 900 shower depending on the exact width and location of the big window but i've included an alternative with a small desk/dressing table/chest of drawers in the bedroom if the big window is too wide or can't be changed

BUT always depends on accurate dimensions and your measurements of the other bedrooms and family bathroom are inconsistent so could you please confirm the size of all the rooms, including the entry, hall, wardrobe and pantry..and what is the height of the downstairs ceiling as there may be a small amount of storage space that could be located above the stairs (behind the present location of the fridge??)
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3 years ago
oklouise I really appreciate the attention you have given. I have pulled out the original plans. We're not in the house at the moment so I cannot measure some of those things. But it looks like the pantry is 2100. I wasn't sure quite what you meant by small amount of storage space above the stairs. The height downstairs on the plans say minimum 2400. The stairs sit right behind the wall the fridge is, on going down to lower floor. The current fridge gap would be less than 700 wide from memory and the wall is cut out next to it above the bench, overlooking the stairs. So would need to fill that in if we wanted a wider fridge. Many thanks

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